Comments for Jackson Forest Forum http://JACKSONFORUM.ORG/blog Creating the Future of Jackson State Forest Fri, 12 Mar 2010 07:37:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 Comment on Natural Forestry at Jackson Forest — Part 1 by M. D. Vaden of Oregon http://JACKSONFORUM.ORG/blog/2009/02/16/natural-forestry-at-jackson-forest-part-1/#comment-106 M. D. Vaden of Oregon Tue, 12 May 2009 04:00:19 +0000 http://JACKSONFORUM.ORG/blog/2009/02/16/natural-forestry-at-jackson-forest-part-1/#comment-106 Seems that when the value of old trees left to fall, die and decay is understood, a person then has a chance to decide a reasonable course of forest management. Seems that when the value of old trees left to fall, die and decay is understood, a person then has a chance to decide a reasonable course of forest management.

]]> Comment on July 2008 Recreation Meeting Minutes and Comments by tina brooks http://JACKSONFORUM.ORG/blog/2008/11/28/july-2008-recreation-meeting-minutes-and-comments/#comment-84 tina brooks Wed, 15 Apr 2009 01:43:32 +0000 http://JACKSONFORUM.ORG/blog/2008/11/28/july-2008-recreation-meeting-minutes-and-comments/#comment-84 mendocino county parks and reac. dept is still handing out the trail guide for Sherwood-little lake trail without information about the closure of private road at the noyo river bridge. mendocino county parks and reac. dept is still handing out the trail guide for Sherwood-little lake trail without information about the closure of private road at the noyo river bridge.

]]> Comment on Equestrian Group Report by tina brooks http://JACKSONFORUM.ORG/blog/2008/07/02/equestrian-group-report/#comment-83 tina brooks Wed, 15 Apr 2009 01:24:17 +0000 http://JACKSONFORUM.ORG/blog/?p=8#comment-83 little lake-sherwood trail between ridge and coon crosses private property at the Noyo River Bridge and Skunk Train rail crossing (end of county road/old company road) This land owner insists that the trail no longer exists and that he keeps his gates locked as do others. Can anyone provie informaton on this? little lake-sherwood trail between ridge and coon crosses private property at the Noyo River Bridge and Skunk Train rail crossing (end of county road/old company road) This land owner insists that the trail no longer exists and that he keeps his gates locked as do others. Can anyone provie informaton on this?

]]> Comment on Northern California Trail Council (NCTC) Points by tina brooks http://JACKSONFORUM.ORG/blog/2008/07/06/12/#comment-82 tina brooks Wed, 15 Apr 2009 01:17:26 +0000 http://JACKSONFORUM.ORG/blog/?p=12#comment-82 I recently tried to ride on the trail known as the sherwood-little lake trail. (in the direction of East to west) When we reached the railraod crossing and started to go across the noyo river bridge we were stopped by a private land owner by the name of Dan. He stated that a trail no longer exists and that the end of county road is the beginning of his property for which he doesnot give permission to cross. He was pleasant enough but clear that he has had problems with some local vendor tresspassing on his property and keep the gates locked for that reason Further He stated that the entire trail would have similar gates that are locked. The trailguide was very well written and pretty easy to follow so I know that we were on the correct road. (old company road). I would appreciate any information about the accuracy of his claim that the private road that we were on is no longer part of the trail between ridge and coon areas. As well as the gates being locked. How can these trails be accessed without disturbing others rights to private roads etc. I recently tried to ride on the trail known as the sherwood-little lake trail. (in the direction of East to west) When we reached the railraod crossing and started to go across the noyo river bridge we were stopped by a private land owner by the name of Dan. He stated that a trail no longer exists and that the end of county road is the beginning of his property for which he doesnot give permission to cross. He was pleasant enough but clear that he has had problems with some local vendor tresspassing on his property and keep the gates locked for that reason Further He stated that the entire trail would have similar gates that are locked. The trailguide was very well written and pretty easy to follow so I know that we were on the correct road. (old company road). I would appreciate any information about the accuracy of his claim that the private road that we were on is no longer part of the trail between ridge and coon areas. As well as the gates being locked. How can these trails be accessed without disturbing others rights to private roads etc.

]]> Comment on Harvest Plans Need Reconsideration by Paul Ederer http://JACKSONFORUM.ORG/blog/2009/01/02/harvest-plans-need-reconsideration/#comment-76 Paul Ederer Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:21:46 +0000 http://JACKSONFORUM.ORG/blog/2009/01/02/harvest-plans-need-reconsideration/#comment-76 Well I'd have to say that JDSF missed the economic boat. Staffing (highly paid with generous health and retirement), road repair and infrastructure all cost taxpayer money. The forest is in a position to fund itself and other worthwhile endeavors around the state but you have to make money at forestry before that happens. A low ball estimate is that the forest has grown 200 million board feet in the past 8 years with no logging (500bf/ac/year over 50K acres) What is the lost opportuity cost of just 1/10th of that. State Parks is in even worse shape financially so it wouldn't do to transfer it to them. I guess the only people making off the woods are the lawyers Well I’d have to say that JDSF missed the economic boat. Staffing (highly paid with generous health and retirement), road repair and infrastructure all cost taxpayer money. The forest is in a position to fund itself and other worthwhile endeavors around the state but you have to make money at forestry before that happens. A low ball estimate is that the forest has grown 200 million board feet in the past 8 years with no logging (500bf/ac/year over 50K acres) What is the lost opportuity cost of just 1/10th of that. State Parks is in even worse shape financially so it wouldn’t do to transfer it to them. I guess the only people making off the woods are the lawyers

]]> Comment on Logging Returns to Jackson Forest by Paul Ederer http://JACKSONFORUM.ORG/blog/2008/11/28/logging-returns-to-jackson-forest/#comment-75 Paul Ederer Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:53:54 +0000 http://JACKSONFORUM.ORG/blog/2008/11/28/logging-returns-to-jackson-forest/#comment-75 So if we don't harvest wood to build houses what are we going to use? Paper and stick construction has been shown to be the greenest form of construction. The forest is the ultimate solar factory. Its easy to say NO LOGGING but what are the alternatives? Where is the infrastructure for alternative means? All human activities use energy , its up to us to use the most efficient renewable sources. Concrete and iron mines don't regenerate whereas a forest will. The wood will come from somewhere and as residents of a highly regulated state it is immoral of us to transfer our desires for resources elsewhere. Is it justifiable to preserve our forests at the cost of species extinction elsewhere. So if we don’t harvest wood to build houses what are we going to use? Paper and stick construction has been shown to be the greenest form of construction. The forest is the ultimate solar factory. Its easy to say NO LOGGING but what are the alternatives? Where is the infrastructure for alternative means? All human activities use energy , its up to us to use the most efficient renewable sources. Concrete and iron mines don’t regenerate whereas a forest will. The wood will come from somewhere and as residents of a highly regulated state it is immoral of us to transfer our desires for resources elsewhere. Is it justifiable to preserve our forests at the cost of species extinction elsewhere.

]]> Comment on Off Road Vehicle (OHV) Report by Mendo Local http://JACKSONFORUM.ORG/blog/2008/07/02/off-road-vehicle-ohv-report/#comment-45 Mendo Local Sun, 01 Mar 2009 22:40:59 +0000 http://JACKSONFORUM.ORG/blog/?p=6#comment-45 I agree 100% that the laws need to be corrected concerning Extracurricular vehicles. There needs to be a solution put in place, and ideas offered out. The community needs to come together and discuss this, i.e. go to the city council meetings.. not just a couple of people but a lot of people, and finding a parks representative to assist in having knowledge about the ecological impact and possibly areas that might be suited for use.. From what I have heard however is there is a lacking in respect of others and land. This can be and is a big issue. I think that if an area can be opened up for the OHV only, rather than all the logging roads for open use. We definitely need a concentrated area, that does not conflict with hiking, or cycling, because of obvious hazards. Also an of This is definitely an issue that needs to be resolved. I hope that more people are willing to take action and speak out for a solution. Maybe we can look at other areas as examples. Another issue could possibly be budget! Has anyone looked into this? I agree 100% that the laws need to be corrected concerning Extracurricular vehicles. There needs to be a solution put in place, and ideas offered out. The community needs to come together and discuss this, i.e. go to the city council meetings.. not just a couple of people but a lot of people, and finding a parks representative to assist in having knowledge about the ecological impact and possibly areas that might be suited for use.. From what I have heard however is there is a lacking in respect of others and land. This can be and is a big issue. I think that if an area can be opened up for the OHV only, rather than all the logging roads for open use. We definitely need a concentrated area, that does not conflict with hiking, or cycling, because of obvious hazards. Also an of This is definitely an issue that needs to be resolved. I hope that more people are willing to take action and speak out for a solution. Maybe we can look at other areas as examples.

Another issue could possibly be budget! Has anyone looked into this?

]]> Comment on Off Road Vehicle (OHV) Report by Eli Swithenbank http://JACKSONFORUM.ORG/blog/2008/07/02/off-road-vehicle-ohv-report/#comment-44 Eli Swithenbank Sun, 01 Mar 2009 06:50:21 +0000 http://JACKSONFORUM.ORG/blog/?p=6#comment-44 I am one of many born and raised Mendocino Coast locals, that appreciates where I am from, the woods around me and the area we live in. The reason why this wonderful little community is here is because most of our families have worked in the woods, the mill or somewhere that makes Fort Bragg what it is. All you hear about these days is the older people talking about the old days when they were younger and how things have changed. I understand that some people like birds, hiking , love the grass, trees and the dirt, I am one of those people. For there to be nowhere that the large community of OHV, motorcycles, atvs, four by fours can go to enjoy our hobbies. When there's so much state land and most the people, like myself, understand the effects that motorcycles etc. can cause in the woods. We respect that and are more than willing to go out of our way to keep our state land in good shape, but also understand that tearing up a little dirt on old logging roads is the least of anyones problems these days! Common sense tells you that dirt bikes are not going to be the end of the woods and there's always that group of people though who are more distructive than you like, but this being the community that it is, we should be able to all have areas to enjoy our hobbies in the country side that our families worked to leave for us to enjoy. Even as I've grown up with locked gates and having to break laws just to enjoy our county that still seemed more constructive for country kids then the stuff we see happening in real cities. The more regulations without common sense and open minded-ness for the views of everyone in our community will turn us closer and closer to that "REAL" city rather than the community that people come from miles away to visit and move to. I can agree with everyones side at some point, although having our communities kids, which are great kids, growing up having to go against laws or rules that just need to be changed because when I ask or anyone asks the question, " Why can't we ride out there, it's state land, I buy a green sticker so I can ride there?" No one ever seems to give a truthful answer that makes sense, something needs to change. The lighted truck parade every winter with small floats and a large number of motorcycles trying to keep the spirit of what made this town and that parade what it is! Even with a hundred motorcycles going down main street decorated in the x-mas spirit asking for a place to ride, and everyone lining the streets knowing the situation and basically agreeing and still nothing comes from it. It just sucks living around a bunch of down to earth people and no one being able to find answers to pretty simple problems, considering the landscape around us. I am one of many born and raised Mendocino Coast locals, that appreciates where I am from, the woods around me and the area we live in. The reason why this wonderful little community is here is because most of our families have worked in the woods, the mill or somewhere that makes Fort Bragg what it is. All you hear about these days is the older people talking about the old days when they were younger and how things have changed. I understand that some people like birds, hiking , love the grass, trees and the dirt, I am one of those people. For there to be nowhere that the large community of OHV, motorcycles, atvs, four by fours can go to enjoy our hobbies. When there’s so much state land and most the people, like myself, understand the effects that motorcycles etc. can cause in the woods. We respect that and are more than willing to go out of our way to keep our state land in good shape, but also understand that tearing up a little dirt on old logging roads is the least of anyones problems these days! Common sense tells you that dirt bikes are not going to be the end of the woods and there’s always that group of people though who are more distructive than you like, but this being the community that it is, we should be able to all have areas to enjoy our hobbies in the country side that our families worked to leave for us to enjoy. Even as I’ve grown up with locked gates and having to break laws just to enjoy our county that still seemed more constructive for country kids then the stuff we see happening in real cities. The more regulations without common sense and open minded-ness for the views of everyone in our community will turn us closer and closer to that “REAL” city rather than the community that people come from miles away to visit and move to. I can agree with everyones side at some point, although having our communities kids, which are great kids, growing up having to go against laws or rules that just need to be changed because when I ask or anyone asks the question, ” Why can’t we ride out there, it’s state land, I buy a green sticker so I can ride there?” No one ever seems to give a truthful answer that makes sense, something needs to change. The lighted truck parade every winter with small floats and a large number of motorcycles trying to keep the spirit of what made this town and that parade what it is! Even with a hundred motorcycles going down main street decorated in the x-mas spirit asking for a place to ride, and everyone lining the streets knowing the situation and basically agreeing and still nothing comes from it. It just sucks living around a bunch of down to earth people and no one being able to find answers to pretty simple problems, considering the landscape around us.

]]> Comment on Logging Returns to Jackson Forest by Jerry Slack http://JACKSONFORUM.ORG/blog/2008/11/28/logging-returns-to-jackson-forest/#comment-42 Jerry Slack Tue, 24 Feb 2009 09:03:07 +0000 http://JACKSONFORUM.ORG/blog/2008/11/28/logging-returns-to-jackson-forest/#comment-42 The Government needs to get the BLANK out of the logging business. Public lands are for benefit of the public--all of us. And, we get the most benefit (best, highest use) of these lands if we protect them, not 'harvest' (ie., destroy) their precious life-sustaining resources for the sake of industry. Our forest lands do not have to earn their keep--they do so 24/7 by just by being, just by doing what they do. And, you are not going to log (nor drill, nor mine) us out of this recession. Paper and stick-frame building that rely on forest products are obsolete in a life-affirming 21st century; the powers that be just don't seem to know it, yet. Natural Resource Management can no longer mean what it meant nearly a century ago. And, even then, people like John Muir recognized the "universe" that is attached to everything that is pulled up. Look around, O' civil servants, and see the frightened people who are frightened by the people (YOU!) who are scorching the earth. The Government needs to get the BLANK out of the logging business. Public lands are for benefit of the public–all of us. And, we get the most benefit (best, highest use) of these lands if we protect them, not ‘harvest’ (ie., destroy) their precious life-sustaining resources for the sake of industry. Our forest lands do not have to earn their keep–they do so 24/7 by just by being, just by doing what they do. And, you are not going to log (nor drill, nor mine) us out of this recession. Paper and stick-frame building that rely on forest products are obsolete in a life-affirming 21st century; the powers that be just don’t seem to know it, yet. Natural Resource Management can no longer mean what it meant nearly a century ago. And, even then, people like John Muir recognized the “universe” that is attached to everything that is pulled up. Look around, O’ civil servants, and see the frightened people who are frightened by the people (YOU!) who are scorching the earth.

]]> Comment on Meeting on Hare Creek Harvest Plan by Moniboniz http://JACKSONFORUM.ORG/blog/2008/12/10/meeting-on-hare-creek-harvest-plan/#comment-38 Moniboniz Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:37:26 +0000 http://JACKSONFORUM.ORG/blog/2008/12/10/meeting-on-hare-creek-harvest-plan/#comment-38 Hi people... :) Hi people… :)

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